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	<description>The truth will set you free, but first it'll piss you off</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 10:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on 1,000 Words by Justin</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/1000-words/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Largely, yes, I do think that, but it's only one part of the situation.  If PR reps didn't feel the need to tart up their teenaged charges, maybe other teenagers wouldn't feel the need to try to look like them.  At the same time, I understand that, on some level, the teenagers are trying to look older not for older guys but for the other teenagers, and I have no idea how to combat that.  It's an issue that goes well beyond simple supply and demand economics and into one of hormones, body image, and the media's depiction of the so-called "ideal" female form.

And this is all territory I don't feel comfortable covering, to be quite honest, mainly because I came equipped with different parts.  Granted, guys have certain similar issues, but typically not as severe, and we have a much greater tendency to ignore the stereotypical ideals anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Largely, yes, I do think that, but it&#8217;s only one part of the situation.  If PR reps didn&#8217;t feel the need to tart up their teenaged charges, maybe other teenagers wouldn&#8217;t feel the need to try to look like them.  At the same time, I understand that, on some level, the teenagers are trying to look older not for older guys but for the other teenagers, and I have no idea how to combat that.  It&#8217;s an issue that goes well beyond simple supply and demand economics and into one of hormones, body image, and the media&#8217;s depiction of the so-called &#8220;ideal&#8221; female form.</p>
<p>And this is all territory I don&#8217;t feel comfortable covering, to be quite honest, mainly because I came equipped with different parts.  Granted, guys have certain similar issues, but typically not as severe, and we have a much greater tendency to ignore the stereotypical ideals anyway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on brb by Justin</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/brb/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a NDoP event essentially across the street from where I work.  I was watching people gather with folding chairs on a half-block of the street that was blocked off for it and couldn't figure out what was going on.  I thought maybe the mayor was going to make some sort of announcement or have a press conference or something like that because it was at the municipal building.

Either way, none of us up here even knew what was going on, but we decided that whatever it was, it looked political.  I asked around some more and found out it was NDoP.  Of course, I told my coworkers, all three of them on the floor that day, that it was indeed a political event.  I didn't feel the need to elaborate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a NDoP event essentially across the street from where I work.  I was watching people gather with folding chairs on a half-block of the street that was blocked off for it and couldn&#8217;t figure out what was going on.  I thought maybe the mayor was going to make some sort of announcement or have a press conference or something like that because it was at the municipal building.</p>
<p>Either way, none of us up here even knew what was going on, but we decided that whatever it was, it looked political.  I asked around some more and found out it was NDoP.  Of course, I told my coworkers, all three of them on the floor that day, that it was indeed a political event.  I didn&#8217;t feel the need to elaborate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,000 Words by tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/1000-words/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not arguing that it isn't the case that demands are sometimes (or often) manufactured.  There are whole industries who exist to manufacture demand.  They call it "marketing."

But not all demand is manufactured, and this entry is not about general case.

Do you think demand for hypersexualized children is manufactured?

For that matter, "hypersexualized children" is broadly an issue of cultural context.  14 yrs old has a long history of being a marriageable age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not arguing that it isn&#8217;t the case that demands are sometimes (or often) manufactured.  There are whole industries who exist to manufacture demand.  They call it &#8220;marketing.&#8221;</p>
<p>But not all demand is manufactured, and this entry is not about general case.</p>
<p>Do you think demand for hypersexualized children is manufactured?</p>
<p>For that matter, &#8220;hypersexualized children&#8221; is broadly an issue of cultural context.  14 yrs old has a long history of being a marriageable age.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,000 Words by Justin</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/1000-words/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 12:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I wouldn't make that claim, Tim.  Instead, I might make the claim that people are duped into thinking they want a cell phone that has the ability to watch TV.  This is just an example; I can think of reasons a commuter on mass transit might find something like that useful.  However, for the "average" cell phone user, there really isn't much use for it, and my point comes into focus.

Similarly, I believe firmly that people are deluded into thinking they need an SUV to be safe on the roads/drive in bad weather/compensate for something lacking in their lives (or on their bodies).  Have you ever tried talking someone out of one?  It never works once they've figurately bought what the auto manufacturers are selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t make that claim, Tim.  Instead, I might make the claim that people are duped into thinking they want a cell phone that has the ability to watch TV.  This is just an example; I can think of reasons a commuter on mass transit might find something like that useful.  However, for the &#8220;average&#8221; cell phone user, there really isn&#8217;t much use for it, and my point comes into focus.</p>
<p>Similarly, I believe firmly that people are deluded into thinking they need an SUV to be safe on the roads/drive in bad weather/compensate for something lacking in their lives (or on their bodies).  Have you ever tried talking someone out of one?  It never works once they&#8217;ve figurately bought what the auto manufacturers are selling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on National Day of Reason by tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/national-day-of-reason/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 13:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a) you mean 4 *tenths* of one percent.

b) we can certainly debate about the DOD budget and its excesses, but this wasn't a post about money, this was a post about the government backing irrational practices.  And the NCCAM is Bob's day after day of Homeopathic Medicine being promoted by the government.

(How much do you think the government is spending on the "national day of prayer"?  Do you think that Bob is wasting his time complaining about that because the DOD has spent *years* in Iraq?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) you mean 4 *tenths* of one percent.</p>
<p>b) we can certainly debate about the DOD budget and its excesses, but this wasn&#8217;t a post about money, this was a post about the government backing irrational practices.  And the NCCAM is Bob&#8217;s day after day of Homeopathic Medicine being promoted by the government.</p>
<p>(How much do you think the government is spending on the &#8220;national day of prayer&#8221;?  Do you think that Bob is wasting his time complaining about that because the DOD has spent *years* in Iraq?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,000 Words by Preachers: Be Politically Correct! Learn the Difference! &#171; Café Philos: an internet café</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/1000-words/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Preachers: Be Politically Correct! Learn the Difference! &#171; Café Philos: an internet café</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on National Day of Reason by david</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/national-day-of-reason/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 03:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like NCCAM received $121 million out of a $29 billion NIH budget for 2007, or about four one-thousandth of a percent.

I would rather complain about the $439 billion 2007 budget for the DOD, and debate whether some of that money could be put to better use.  Or perhaps the fact that despite the huge outlay, DOD actually spent $72 billion over their budget.

I believe any "rational nation" should be fiscally responsible across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like NCCAM received $121 million out of a $29 billion NIH budget for 2007, or about four one-thousandth of a percent.</p>
<p>I would rather complain about the $439 billion 2007 budget for the DOD, and debate whether some of that money could be put to better use.  Or perhaps the fact that despite the huge outlay, DOD actually spent $72 billion over their budget.</p>
<p>I believe any &#8220;rational nation&#8221; should be fiscally responsible across the board.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,000 Words by tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/1000-words/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Customer demand isn't the bottleneck, sales are.&lt;/i&gt;

Point taken.  (Tally one up for Bob.)

But I'm not sure I agree with Justin.  There are certainly cases where sellers create demand.  But there are also cases where sellers rush in to fill a market need.

I mean, do you really think people drink alcohol because of the Budweiser frog?  I'm not saying they might not be deluded into drinking Budweiser instead of beer by the ads, but I am a little dubious that advertising beer does more than channel the existing demand toward a particular brand.

(Demand for alcohol didn't go away when the legal market did.)

There's probably a subtle distinction here: prior to cell phones, no one had one, and everyone lived just as happily as they ever did.  And I suppose you could (wrongly) argue that inventing the cell phone was followed by manipulation of the masses into imagining a need that they didn't really have.  But I suspect it was more that the desire was latent because it had no solution, and once the solution emerged, so did the market to fill the need.

That's not the same kind of thing that you imply above, Justin, that people are deluded by corporations into thinking they want a cellphone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Customer demand isn&#8217;t the bottleneck, sales are.</i></p>
<p>Point taken.  (Tally one up for Bob.)</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure I agree with Justin.  There are certainly cases where sellers create demand.  But there are also cases where sellers rush in to fill a market need.</p>
<p>I mean, do you really think people drink alcohol because of the Budweiser frog?  I&#8217;m not saying they might not be deluded into drinking Budweiser instead of beer by the ads, but I am a little dubious that advertising beer does more than channel the existing demand toward a particular brand.</p>
<p>(Demand for alcohol didn&#8217;t go away when the legal market did.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s probably a subtle distinction here: prior to cell phones, no one had one, and everyone lived just as happily as they ever did.  And I suppose you could (wrongly) argue that inventing the cell phone was followed by manipulation of the masses into imagining a need that they didn&#8217;t really have.  But I suspect it was more that the desire was latent because it had no solution, and once the solution emerged, so did the market to fill the need.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the same kind of thing that you imply above, Justin, that people are deluded by corporations into thinking they want a cellphone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goodbye, Deborah Jeane by tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/goodbye-deborah-jeane/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have they gone through her little black book to prosecute the Johns?  Or do you think this is enough to satisfy the powers that be.

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On a different note - interesting to find this entry following so closely on the heels of the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they gone through her little black book to prosecute the Johns?  Or do you think this is enough to satisfy the powers that be.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>On a different note - interesting to find this entry following so closely on the heels of the last.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Power of  Prayer by Ted Goas</title>
		<link>http://blog.crispen.org/the-power-of-prayer/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Goas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the add Rev Bob! We've returned the favor and subscribed to your RSS.

Nice note above. I guess Emo found a loophole in his religion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the add Rev Bob! We&#8217;ve returned the favor and subscribed to your RSS.</p>
<p>Nice note above. I guess Emo found a loophole in his religion&#8230;</p>
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