Comments on: Dispelled http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/ That which does not kill us has made its last mistake Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:28:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: onein6billion http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-776 onein6billion Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:04:42 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-776 "moviegoers will storm the theaters to listen" to his lies? I think not. 20/20 hindsight “moviegoers will storm the theaters to listen”

to his lies? I think not. 20/20 hindsight

]]> By: Rev. Bob http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Rev. Bob Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:41:50 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-80 I didn't freely choose to see the movie (starring Hannah Montana and the Mouseketeers). I blogged about it on the old blog (and one day we may get the old posts and comments transferred over here. Long story short, one of the nurses in the neuro ICU put it on while I was semi-awake but I don't remember it very well. I hope I'm never called on to testify about what was really in that movie. I also hope I'm never called on to see that awful movie again. I didn’t freely choose to see the movie (starring Hannah Montana and the Mouseketeers). I blogged about it on the old blog (and one day we may get the old posts and comments transferred over here.

Long story short, one of the nurses in the neuro ICU put it on while I was semi-awake but I don’t remember it very well. I hope I’m never called on to testify about what was really in that movie.

I also hope I’m never called on to see that awful movie again.

]]> By: Justin http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-65 Justin Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:21:46 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-65 Hah! Bob, I certainly hope you don't think I actually read that series of books...or played the computer game...or watched the movie (if there even is one, I have no idea)... Hah! Bob, I certainly hope you don’t think I actually read that series of books…or played the computer game…or watched the movie (if there even is one, I have no idea)…

]]> By: tim http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-62 tim Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:06:17 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-62 SciAm's podcast reviews the movie. There's nothing new in their slam. But they say they had a conversation with the movie's producer immediately after the viewing, and it was heated, and it is available unedited on their website. (Haven't watched yet, myself.) SciAm’s podcast reviews the movie. There’s nothing new in their slam. But they say they had a conversation with the movie’s producer immediately after the viewing, and it was heated, and it is available unedited on their website. (Haven’t watched yet, myself.)

]]> By: Rev. Bob http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-47 Rev. Bob Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:05:19 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-47 When the rapture comes,maybe they'll throw him off the balcony last? Don't you remember that scene in <cite>Left Behind</cite> where the smiling family gathers to whack Uncle Irving? Evidently Ben didn't. When the rapture comes,maybe they’ll throw him off the balcony last?

Don’t you remember that scene in Left Behind where the smiling family gathers to whack Uncle Irving?

Evidently Ben didn’t.

]]> By: Justin http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-45 Justin Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:35:11 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-45 Wait, isn't Stein Jewish? Granted, he's thrown in with the CC folks... Wait, isn’t Stein Jewish? Granted, he’s thrown in with the CC folks…

]]> By: Benjamin Franklin http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Benjamin Franklin Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:50:49 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-42 The Claim “Intelligent design was being suppressed in a systematic and ruthless fashion” (Ben Stein, Expelled). The Facts Intelligent design has not produced any research to suppress. When prominent ID proponent William Dembski was asked about his research, and why “you don’t do those tests?” he responded, “I myself would prefer to spend time in what I would consider to be more fruitful endeavors.” If even proponents of ID do not think it is a fruitful enterprise, why should the scientific community take any interest in it? As shown elsewhere, www.expelledexposed.com the supposed cases of suppression offered in Expelled are dishonest attempts to make mountains out of molehills and to create martyrs where martyrdom does not exist. Intelligent design is scientifically unproductive, and this perhaps explains why scientists like Guillermo Gonzalez and Michael Behe publish far fewer papers after they become attracted to intelligent design. Ultimately, intelligent design’s lack of success in science departments is the fault of the flawed and unscientific nature of intelligent design itself, not the result of bias in the scientific community. The issue is not the suppression of ID, but the lack of warrant for its scientific claims. And ultimately, ID has an uphill struggle to demonstrate that it is, indeed, science. The fundamental problem with intelligent design as science is that intelligent design claims cannot be tested. Scientific testing requires that there be some set of phenomena which are incompatible with your idea. No observation could possibly be incompatible with a claim that an “intelligent agent” (whom everyone recognizes as God) acted to, say, introduce information into a system. Untestable claims are not scientific claims. Regardless of their attractiveness as religious ideas (although many people of faith strongly reject intelligent design) intelligent design has not passed muster as science. The Claim
“Intelligent design was being suppressed in a systematic and ruthless fashion” (Ben Stein, Expelled).

The Facts
Intelligent design has not produced any research to suppress. When prominent ID proponent William Dembski was asked about his research, and why “you don’t do those tests?” he responded, “I myself would prefer to spend time in what I would consider to be more fruitful endeavors.” If even proponents of ID do not think it is a fruitful enterprise, why should the scientific community take any interest in it?

As shown elsewhere, http://www.expelledexposed.com the supposed cases of suppression offered in Expelled are dishonest attempts to make mountains out of molehills and to create martyrs where martyrdom does not exist.

Intelligent design is scientifically unproductive, and this perhaps explains why scientists like Guillermo Gonzalez and Michael Behe publish far fewer papers after they become attracted to intelligent design. Ultimately, intelligent design’s lack of success in science departments is the fault of the flawed and unscientific nature of intelligent design itself, not the result of bias in the scientific community.

The issue is not the suppression of ID, but the lack of warrant for its scientific claims. And ultimately, ID has an uphill struggle to demonstrate that it is, indeed, science. The fundamental problem with intelligent design as science is that intelligent design claims cannot be tested. Scientific testing requires that there be some set of phenomena which are incompatible with your idea. No observation could possibly be incompatible with a claim that an “intelligent agent” (whom everyone recognizes as God) acted to, say, introduce information into a system. Untestable claims are not scientific claims. Regardless of their attractiveness as religious ideas (although many people of faith strongly reject intelligent design) intelligent design has not passed muster as science.

]]> By: The Other Bob http://blog.crispen.org/dispelled/comment-page-1/#comment-41 The Other Bob Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:38:34 +0000 http://blog.crispen.org/?p=21#comment-41 Isn't Ben Stein the same guy who also sells Pacific Northwest seafood, claiming you should eat all you want since it's in endless supply? Since he's a former speech writer for Nixon, his grasp of spin is well honed. As charming a character as he may be, he still has some dark ideas. To profess intelligence while promoting ignorance is the ultimate spin, wouldn't you say? B~ Isn’t Ben Stein the same guy who also sells Pacific Northwest seafood, claiming you should eat all you want since it’s in endless supply?

Since he’s a former speech writer for Nixon, his grasp of spin is well honed. As charming a character as he may be, he still has some dark ideas.

To profess intelligence while promoting ignorance is the ultimate spin, wouldn’t you say?

B~

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